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          | 231 Is castor reduction a wise modification for an RV8?
 Over 
            the last 12 months a castor correction kit has become available which 
            offers lighter steering for the MGB Roadster, MGBGT, MGBGTV8 and RV8 
            models. Essentially the kit uses wedges which look like tuning forks 
            as a packing under the front mountings 
            between the crossmember and chassis legs which rotates the crossmember 
            forwards, thereby reducing the castor angle. This note highlights 
            several concerns over the kit and its use on the RV8 model. (Jan 
            06)
 
 Heavy steering has been a noticeable feature of the MGB and the 
            MGBGTV8 models
 It is caused by the 7 degrees of positive castor needed to produce 
            the self centring steering action with the cross ply tyres available 
            in 1962 when the model was first produced. Since that era radial tyres 
            have been developed along with improved rubber compounds with greater 
            grip which have the effect of increasing the steering load, particularly 
            with tight cornering or cornering at speed. As modern tyres are far 
            more directional, less self-centring force is necessary and so less 
            castor is required. Consequently these tyre changes provide scope 
            for reducing the castor angle and thereby obtaining the welcome benefit 
            of lighter steering with the MGB and MGBGTV8 models.
 
 Was the castor angle reduction addressed when the RV8 was introduced?
 The RV8 was designed in the early 1990s on the basis that radial tyres 
            with improved grip characteristics and a wider profile would be used 
            but also that the additional equipment in the engine bay would increase 
            the weight of the car compared with the MGBGTV8. Without a reduction 
            in the castor angle, changing the gearing of the steering rack or 
            fitting power steering, the steering outcome would be heavy.
 
 There is a mistaken belief about that the castor angle on the RV8 
            is the same as that of the MGB and V8 and so the castor reduction 
            kit can also be fitted to the RV8. This is incorrect as the 
            castor angle on the RV8 was reduced by just over 3 degrees when the 
            model was developed and introduced. You can easily check this in the 
            RV8 Repair Manual AKM7153ENG
 
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                |  The castor angle is the angle, measured in degrees, 
                  formed between the axis of the kingpin and the perpendicular 
                  to the ground looking at the vehicle from the side. As the angle 
                  is formed longitudinally relative to the vehicle, it is more 
                  exact definition is longitudinal castor angle. In practical 
                  terms it is know more simply as castor angle. The castor angle 
                  given to the kingpin creates 
                  two important phenomena for the ride and handling of the vehicle 
                  -
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                  stability in 
                  terms of maintaining the straight line of travel of the vehicle 
                  and the extent to which the steering self centres after turning 
                  and second the tilt of the wheel which occurs during turning. The 
                    stability phenomenon is created on the basis of the distance 
                    between the point at which the kingpin axis extension falls 
                    (in relation to the direction of travel) and the point of 
                    contact between the tyre and the ground. In the case of positive 
                    caster angle (where the kingpin extension falls ahead of the 
                    point of contact between the tyres and the ground), the wheel 
                    is pulled, as it is the line of application of the force applied 
                    to the axis that passes in front of wheels mid point without 
                    taking the direction of travel into account, and each attempt 
                    made by the wheel to deviate from straight line travel will 
                    be counteracted by the straightening couple generated by the 
                    force and by the rolling resistance of the wheel. With negative 
                    castor the wheel is pushed as it is the line of application 
                    of the force applied to the axis passes behind the mid point 
                    of the wheel. Consequently the best stability condition for 
                    straight line travel is obtained with a positive castor angle. 
                    In this case the phenomenon of "wheel wobble" and 
                    the consequent effects on steering are avoided. The different 
                    behaviour of the wheels can be verified practically by driving 
                    the same vehicle in forward gear and then in reverse. |  |   
          | where 
            you will see the castor angle on the 
            RV8 is in fact 3 degrees 48 min +/- 54 mins. So using a castor 
            reduction kit which would remove 3 degrees of castor, would leave 
            only 0 degrees 48 mins +/- 54 mins of positive castor which is not 
            sufficient.
 
 Variable castor angle settings
 Fitting castor correction wedges can compress the rubber pads to such 
            an extent that they are crushed, in some cases seriously so. This 
            can contribute to the variability in the castor angle setting and 
            differences between the castor setting on each wheel. The fitting 
            instructions with the castor correction wedges recommend tightening 
            the mounting bolts "to approximately 75 lbft" when 
            the recommended torque setting for that bolt is understood to be only 
            56 lbft.
 
 Caution
 So our conclusion is there are serious concerns over a 
            castor reduction of 3
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            on an RV8 and that where fitting the castor correction wedges leads 
            to crushing of the rubber mounts, there are concerns that the castor 
            angle settings may be variable as a consequence. So on balance fitting 
            a castor correction or reduction kit on an RV8 is not recommended.
 
 Improved castor reduction kit
 See a comprehensive workshop note on a new castor reduction kit incorporating 
            useful engineering improvements which is available for chrome and 
            rubber bumpered MGBGTV8 and MGB models. The note describes how fitting 
            the kit rotates the crossmember forwards thereby reducing the castor 
            angle, reviews the engineering improvements, and provides some useful 
            background information on the need for positive castor to self-centre 
            the steering at speed and give a good steering response.
 RV8NOTE232
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