| Back
              
              V8 
              Newsletter published in Safety Fast!This 
              month we have news of recent registrations, an interesting report 
              from David Franklin on his snatching fastest time of the day at 
              a hillclimb in Switzerland last Summer in his "Shopping V8", 
              a brief report of the 50th Anniversary Meeting in New Zealand, and 
              the release of a clutch of workshop notes.
 
 Member 
              news
 New registrations of factory V8s have included details from 
              Jim Lothian (Glacier White 0552) from Middlesex, Richard Horrocks 
              (Glacier White 0947) from County, Tom Fallon (Citron 0954) from 
              Staffordshire, Andrew Yates (Aconite 1172) from Merseyside, Peter 
              Holden (Glacier White 1183) from Warwickshire, Franck Morand (Mirage 
              Blue 1586) from Thailand, Stephen Messenger (Damask 2536) from Hampshire, 
              Barry Hamilton (Green Mallard NNNN) from Northern Ireland and James 
              Lothian (Glacier White NNNN) from Middlesex. V8 conversions include 
              an MGBV8 Roadster from David Lockett (Blue 4212) from the West Midlands 
              with a car reimported from California and converted to LHD and V8 
              specification in 1975. David also owns another V8 (Red 1577) which 
              is presently dismantled with its running gear fitted to the MGBV8 
              Roadster! More reimported RV8 registrations have come from James 
              Rudgley (Woodcote Green 0696) from Bedfordshire, John Adams (Woodcote 
              Green 0757) from Gloucestershire with a car obtained from Modern 
              Motoring in Paignton, Devon and Nigel Barker (Woodcote Green 2079) 
              from Hertfordshire. Where "NNNN" is shown above the Car 
              Number or VIN has yet to be received by the V8 Registrar, Victor 
              Smith.
 
 John Barnes (Woodcote Green 0636), the V8 Register contact in Wellington 
              New Zealand, mentioned in an emailed note that driving the RV8 down 
              to the NZ 50th Anniversary Rally in Canterbury in early January 
              gave him an opportunity to test his new chip on the engine management 
              system. The RV8 returned around 33mpg at an average of 65mph on 
              the way down and achieved a standing quarter mile time of 16.3 seconds. 
              Sadly the well organised event was dogged by some very unseasonable 
              weather with rain, hail, wind, rain again and some sun! Six members 
              from the UK attended including Piers and Linda Hubbard who had the 
              loan of a blue MGA whilst they were there - a little like home from 
              home it seemed.
 
 
  John 
              Barnes (Woodcote Green 0636) leaves the starting line at the NZ 
              50th Anniversary Meeting in January 2002 in Canterbury, New Zealand. 
              (Photo: Piers Hubbard)
 
 
 
  Murray 
              Baber (Woodcote Green 0886) essays the motorkana in his RV8 at the 
              50th Anniversary Rally in Christchurch New Zealand in January 2002. 
              (Photo: Piers Hubbard)
 
 Franck 
              Morand (Mirage Blue 1586 originally Glacier White) in Chiang Mai, 
              Thailand has one of the few BGTV8s in France as he keeps 
              it at his parents' home near Clermont-Ferrand. He contacted the 
              V8 Register for information on the choice of oils for the engine, 
              gearbox and back axle as he was arranging a service at long range! 
              A copy of pages 76 and 77 from the BGTV8 Drivers Handbook (AKD8423) 
              was sent out as an email attachment and then by chance Victor Smith 
              was in Kuala Lumpur shortly after, so they made contact by telephone. 
              Chiang Mai is relatively close, just to the north of Malaysia! On 
              learning of the recent release of Volume 6 of the V8 Workshop Notes 
              series, Franck ordered an email copy and later replied - " 
              The copies of Volume 6 and the Rolling V8 Calendar came through 
              very well. I am really impressed with the detailed information in 
              the notes and the compiling work it represents." He then ordered 
              a copy of the updated issue of Volume 5 for the articles in that 
              volume on unleaded fuel for the V8! From the chat over the telephone 
              it was clear Franck is keen to arrange his business visits back 
              to Europe this year to coincide with some of the V8 Gatherings. 
              So we may see him this year at le Mans 24 hour event in mid June, 
              the Club's Silverstone International Weekend at the later date in 
              July and the Goodwood Revival Race Meeting in early September. Franck's 
              registration information shows his BGTV8 has been converted to LHD 
              with a respray in Mirage Blue. He says "it is not near the 
              concours condition of some of the V8s I see in Safety Fast! but 
              it very usable with a number of "sensible improvements". 
              I am a believer in using classic cars and every summer on my return 
              trips to France I drive the V8 for at least 3,000km. My father warms 
              it up for a short drive every month as well!". Franck added 
              he "would have imported another V8 for use in Thailand a long 
              time ago had it not been for the fact it is legally impossible to 
              import secondhand cars to Thailand - even MGs!"
 
 David 
              Franklin and the V8 snatch FTD and drive away with a Swiss hill 
              climb award
 Back in the seventies, one of the most extra-ordinary sights 
              at the Club's annual weekend meeting at Silverstone was David Franklin 
              coming through Woodcote Corner in his BGTV8 on the limit. But what 
              made it even more extraordinary was the V8 was an ordinary road 
              going machine and yet it was dicing with the leading fully modified 
              BCV8 cars! Well the wet conditions, which seemed to be a frequent 
              discomfort at our Silverstone meetings in the late seventies, provided 
              the opportunity for a skilled driver on good roadgoing rubber to 
              get on even terms. In David's case that skill had been honed during 
              many seasons competing in National and European hill climb and sprint 
              championships in various Formula 2 machines. Since then David has 
              competed in many historic racing events and in recent years is frequently 
              seen working wonders with a mouthwatering Ferrari 712 CanAm. His 
              performances at the Goodwood Revival meeting last year in a Ferrari 
              250LM was another example - anyone standing out at Fordwater on 
              the back of the Goodwood Circuit would have been stunned by the 
              sight of David drifting that glorious machine through that corner 
              and just brushing the apex at around 130mph - a truly extraordinary 
              sight and experience. It was in the Paddock at Goodwood that David 
              mentioned he had popped in fastest time of the day using the "Shopping 
              V8" at a hill climb championship whilst touring in Switzerland 
              last June. Clearly this tickled his sense of fun - trouncing much 
              more powerful machinery is always a pleasure! Here is his note with 
              a report of the event.
 
  David Franklin (Blaze 2177) drives through St Ursanne following 
              snatching FTD at the hillclimb in 2001 with terry Osborne repeating 
              the applause taking in 1974! (Photo: Debbie Franklin)
 
 "In 
              the seventies I was lucky enough to spend many years hill climbing 
              in Europe, and Switzerland in particular with Formula 3 and 
              then Formula 2 single seater racing cars, My team manager in those 
              days was the well known MGB racer and BCV8 competitor, Terry Osborne. 
              In 2001, the Swiss MG enthusiast Marcel Schaub invited us to compete 
              in a round of the British Sports Car Cup in Switzerland held at 
              the St Ursanne les Rangiers hill climb. I had competed there 
              eight times in the seventies so knew the hill pretty well! Two years 
              ago, we had competed in a round of their championship in Austria 
              at a hill climb called Silvetta using the BGTV8 - normally my wife's 
              shopping car - which we drove over, competed, won the class and 
              then drove home again. A total of 3,000 miles! So when the chance 
              of competing with them again last June arose it was far too tempting 
              to turn down, and it was closer to home!
 
 In 2001 the event was called the Jo Siffert Memorial Hill Climb, 
              with scrutineering and practice on Saturday, and two timed runs 
              on the Sunday. As in the seventies, team manager Terry Osborne, 
              - "Ozzy" to his friends! - could not resist the chance 
              of returning and meeting old friends, visiting restaurants and generally 
              having a good time! We drove down in two cars, Ozzy in a 2001 Mondeo 
              due to his advancing years, and Deb and myself in the V8.
 
 We arrived in glorious sunshine on the Thursday afternoon 
              after a good run down from the overnight boat from Portsmouth to 
              Le Havre. A couple of beers in the village of St Ursanne sitting 
              under a parasol was really great but little did we know that this 
              would be the last sunshine we would see until we left on Monday 
              morning! Friday was raining and we did a couple of reccy 
              runs up the hill which leaves the picturesque village of St Ursanne 
              on the river Doubs in the Jura mountains, and winds up the valley 
              for three miles to join the main road to Delemont and Basel at the 
              end of the hillclimb at les Rangiers. It is all on public roads, 
              it is very fast for the main part but with three first gear hairpins 
              at the top. In the seventies we would average 98 mph from a standing 
              start over this course in a two litre March BMW F2 car!!
 
 Saturday was again raining, still this made scrutineering 
              easy as it was in the open! I could not be bothered to removed the 
              rubber bumpers or spare wheel and tools from the boot for practice, 
              so ran in heavyweight specification! A really good dinner followed 
              on Saturday night with all the Swiss crowd which made-up for the 
              rotten weather. Out of 140 entries in the programme, only eighty 
              or so were listed after practice as the weather forecast had been 
              so terrible for the whole weekend, many had not turned up at all!
 
 Sunday was still raining, now nonstop since Friday morning. 
              On the first runs in the morning, the road was in good condition 
              despite the odd "river" running across the track. However 
              just before the hairpins there was an oil slick running on the racing 
              line all the way to the finish! At the parc ferme after the finish, 
              I walked down to speak to my good friend Eddy Wyss (who was driving 
              a beautiful Abarth 1300 and running about ten cars in front of me) 
              and I asked him what he thought about the oil? He replied what oil! 
              Only to find when his oil pressure warning light came on during 
              his return down the hill that it was his car which had deposited 
              the oil! For the rest of the weekend he was known as "Oily 
              Eddy". Our time in the V8 was very good, thanks to the fancy 
              Yokohama tyres we were running which were ideal for the conditions.
 
 For the second runs on Sunday afternoon there were less competitors. 
              It seemed they had either fallen-off or had just got fed up with 
              the weather! For our runs, as we arrived at the oil on the hairpins, 
              we came upon oil granules and a surface like glass! Had it been 
              left alone, the oil would have been washed away together with the 
              cement dust or anything that might normally soak-up the oil, but 
              not in those rainy conditions.
 
 As we walked to the village hall that Sunday evening for the prize 
              giving, it actually stopped raining! The result was a little embarrassing 
              - fastest time of the day outright! We had clocked 2min 40.41 
              for FTD some 0.48 seconds ahead of Jacques Joliat from France with 
              an F2 GRD and then ten and twelve seconds ahead of two Porsches! 
              Our average speed was just over 66 mph!".
 
 
  Terry 
              Osborne (Glacier White 1480) "riding mechanic" on the 
              back of David Franklin's F3 Ensign in St Ursanne back in 1974 - 
              repeated in the BGTV8 in 2001! (Photo Debbie Franklin) 
 Footnote: Team Manager Ozzy insisted we ran the BGTV8 without the 
              rubber bumpers, spare wheel and tools for the competition runs. 
              We compromised and took off the front bumper, so we were semi-lightweight! 
              The "Shopping V8", 8000 DF, has had a wonderful competition 
              career spanning 25 years. After winning the BCV8 Championship in 
              1981, it was third overall on the Tour Espagna in 1999, took the 
              class record at the Colerne sprint the same year and still gets 
              driven to and from meetings. Oh! - and the sunroof was open all 
              the way back to le Havre from Switzerland on the Monday!
 
 Now a couple of photos of John Targett (BRG 1022) from Sussex 
              who lives in the US and races an historic MGB Roadster in a series 
              known as the "Past Masters".
 
  John 
              Targett in his ultra low MGB Roadster at Watkins Glen in the US 
              Past Masters series". (Photo: Dana Moreland)
 John 
            Targett collecting his award, the "Old Farts Cup" at Watkins 
            Glen in 2001. (Photo: Dana Moreland)
 
 V8 Workshop Note 245
 Small steps and giant strides in the handling department
 The suspension package on the BGTV8 was showing its 
            age even when the V8 was launched in 1973 and by today's standards 
            the handling demands skill and attention. Ken Drake (Citron 1057) 
            from Berkshire provides this note on how he has made a series of improvements 
            to the handling on his V8. (Dec 99)
 
 When I acquired my BGTV8 in June 1987, it was suffering from a 
            lack of use as it had been virtually laid up for seven years. So although 
            this had preserved the bodywork wonderfully, a certain amount of recommissioning 
            had to be done. However once this had been accomplished, much as I 
            appreciated the straight line performance, I found the handling hairy 
            to say the least with an alarming amount of body roll on cornering.
 
 Fortunately, Ron Hopkinson introduced his handling kits in 
            1988 and I was one of his first customers. The kit I obtained consisted 
            of a rear anti-roll bar which has to be secured to the floor of the 
            spare wheel well together with a thicker front anti-roll bar. They 
            were fitted by the V8 specialist, Geoff Allen at Abingdon (Editor: 
            now retired). With the back of the car anchored to the axle, the improvement 
            in handling was quite dramatic with body roll reduced considerably. 
            In my opinion that kit remains good value today particularly as it 
            is slightly cheaper (at £99.50) than it was then.
 So far as driving is concerned, I have the misfortune to live in the 
            grandly titled Royal County of Berkshire where I'll swear the roads 
            are the most neglected in the country. With the new handling kit installed, 
            I still experienced a rather jarring ride over the poorly surfaced 
            and pot-holed roads which abound in the county.
 
 So in 1991, I arranged with Geoff Allen to supply and fit the Moss 
            Dynamic Suspension System. This handling kit replaces the front 
            lever arm dampers with top wishbones and incorporates telescopic dampers 
            inside the replacement coil springs. Once fitted, this system made 
            a really worthwhile improvement to ride quality and eliminated the 
            bump-thump at low speeds. Again I felt the £400 for the kit 
            was money well spent.
 
 However as the local roads continued to deteriorate and the Council 
            decided to invest its road budget in road humps or sleeping policemen, 
            which play havoc with the car's suspension system, rather than in 
            adequate road maintenance. Things got so bad that when speed bumps 
            were installed in my own road, there was a risk my wig might become 
            dislodged as the V8 lurched over them - I hasten to add this joke 
            is for the benefit of all those rumourmongers! So when British 
            Motor Heritage Engineering introduced their Performance Suspension 
            Assembly in 1997, based on the front cross-member developed for 
            the MG RV8, my interest was aroused. The assembly was a complete replacement 
            for the original cross-member incorporating double wishbones with 
            adjustable Koni telescopic dampers within the coil springs, maintenance 
            free ball joints instead of kingpins and ventilated disc brakes with 
            4 piston callipers. All very appealing but also quite costly. So I 
            canvassed opinions of a couple of members of the V8 Register who were 
            fortunate to own both an original BGTV8 and an RV8, on the relative 
            merits of the RV8 set up. Strange to relate both members were independently 
            non-committal. On reading the magazine reports of the
 
 | BMHE Performance 
              Suspension Assembly they appeared to have been written by people 
              who one might feel had vested interests. No demonstration cars with 
              the conversion installed were available.Eventually in September 
            1999, I decided to take the plunge and ordered the RV8-style front 
            suspension assembly from Moss. I should mention that the BGTV8 
            requires the assembly specified for the standard rubber bumpered MGB 
            1800 fitted with disc wheels (part number 213015) to accommodate the 
            raised ride height. By this time Geoff Allen was in retirement in 
            Cheshire, so my next problem was to find a specialist able to fit 
            the assembly as I am more proficient at wielding a chamois leather 
            than a spanner! Scanning the MG Car Club Trade Directory I found Crown 
            Classic Cars of Twickenham, just down the road from Moss, to whom 
            the bulky kit could be delivered direct.
 
 Crown Classic Cars is run by brothers Jason and Tony Payne who 
            have exclusive hands-on experience with MGs and had already fitted 
            a number of these RV8 assemblies. On visiting them I was reassured 
            to find their workshop and yard full of Jaguars and TRs as well as 
            MGs and found their workmanship to be superb and reasonably priced 
            - a rare combination these days, usual disclaimer applies!! Fitting 
            the kit took a day and when I collected the V8, Jason warned me to 
            go carefully until the new brakes had bedded-in. So it was with some 
            trepidation that I set off for home down the busy Chertsey Road in 
            rain that soon became torrential, but the first nervous jabs on the 
            brakes provided instant reassurance that the improvement was immediately 
            obvious. It has only got better since.
 
 So with the memory of the previous set-up still fresh in my mind, 
            I wrote these impressions of the new RV8-style system. The 
            improvement in ride quality is quite amazing with the damping, even 
            on the softest setting, most impressive with none of the previous 
            floating action after hitting a bump. To be fair some of that previous 
            floating action could have been attributed to the previous dampers 
            being exhausted after eight years of pounding on the appalling roads 
            in Berkshire. The steering feels somewhat lighter at low speed and 
            wonderfully responsive and positive at higher speeds thanks to 1990s 
            technology rather than the previous set up which first saw service 
            some 50 years ago. Before the conversion to the RV8 set up there had 
            been some vibration transmitted through the steering wheel on all 
            but the smoothest of roads, which I had been told was due to the tyres 
            degrading with age, but with the new set up this has gone completely. 
            Tight bends can now be taken in complete confidence as the steering 
            is so compliant and responsive with none of the previous tendency 
            to put up a bit of a fight and run wide if the surface was a bit rough 
            or bumpy. Visually the ride height of the car is unaltered but the 
            front track is marginally but perceptibly wider giving the car a slightly 
            macho stance.
 
 Was it 
            worth it? Well the RV8 assembly costs £1,821 and the fitting 
            time and costs will depend on whether or not the exhaust manifolds 
            have to be removed to undo and refit the four chassis-crossmember 
            mounting bolts. Fortunately mine did not have to be removed. So for 
            around £2,100 my MGBGTV8 has been brilliantly transformed into 
            a car that is more enjoyable, mote relaxing and safer to dive. Admittedly 
            it is fairly costly, but the RV8 assembly represents excellent value 
            for money in my opinion as it achieves improvements in so many areas 
            without affecting the inherent character of a classic car. In fact 
            it probably brings the MGBGTV8 even closer to the late John Thornley's 
            vision of creating "the poor man's Aston Martin". In any 
            case I can always console myself with the thought, in Quentin Wilson's 
            words, that I have saved myself "shed loads of money" by 
            not buying an RV8 in its entirety!
 
 V8 Workshop Note 240
 Trouble with the original "top hat" battery terminals
 Julian Fecitt (Black V8 1350) from Lancashire joined the V8 
            Register in September 2001 and found his BGTV8 had a problem so contacted 
            the V8 Register for help. Amongst the responses was this note from 
            Victor Smith (Harvest Gold V8 1089). (Dec 01).
 
 The message from Julian Fecit outlined the difficulty - "when 
            the car is hot and the accelerator is pressed, the engine cuts out. 
            It will restart but cuts out again. Eventually it will restart but 
            continues to misfire. Leads and plugs look fine - does this indicate 
            a carburettor problem or is it a well documented "characteristic 
            of the model?" Well in terms of characteristics of the model 
            Victor Smith offered the following suggestion as a possible cause 
            of the misfiring.
 
 "I have found I have had problems with my BGTV8 misfiring when 
            picking up from low revs and on a couple of occasions the car has 
            refused to fire up again after refuelling at a filling station. I 
            eventually traced the problem to the battery terminals which on the 
            original installation at the Factory were a "top hat" pattern 
            with a screw through the centre of the cap down into the terminal. 
            Initially just moving the cap on the terminal and re-tightening was 
            sufficient to overcome the problem but having found the cause of the 
            misfire problem, I got into the routine of cleaning the inside of 
            the caps and around the terminals with a smear of Vaseline each Spring 
            when the car came back on the road after a Winter lay-up. This was 
            coupled with the usual annual service and grease up and cleaning or 
            replacing the points and a check on the gap with my dwell meter with 
            the machine warmed up."
 
 Well this year at the Hook Norton Brewery, where I was collecting 
            polypins of real ale for the V8 marquee at MG Car Club's International 
            Weekend meeting at Silverstone, my V8 just would not fire up. As you 
            will know the twin 6 volt batteries on the chrome bumpered V8 are 
            located in a black hole under a metal panel beneath the rear seat 
            - not the easiest place to get to or work in! On disconnecting and 
            inspecting the caps it dawned on me that the chamfered profile of 
            the inside of the cap no longer matched the chamfer of the battery 
            terminal - in effect only a very small part of the two surfaces were 
            in contact and most of that was through the screw from the top! I 
            realised that spirited cleaning of the inside of the caps with emery 
            paper over past years had put more abrasion on the outer edge than 
            the innermost part of the inside of the cap - hence the changed profile.
 
 With most of my light luggage and tackle for Silverstone removed from 
            inside the car and my head stuck down in the gloom of the battery 
            compartment, I cleaned out the accumulated crud from the innermost 
            part of the cap. On replacing the caps and connecting up the terminals, 
            the V8 fired up beautifully and pulled away in low revs in second 
            and third without any hint of misfire.
 
 I have since decided I have had enough of those wretched top hat caps. 
            I obtained a set of open top clamp fittings, cut off the top hats 
            and fitted the clamps to my battery leads. I feel a great deal happier 
            with them and the more so when I mention a further concern. I have 
            found some replacement 6 volt batteries seem to be just a fraction 
            taller than the original equipment. When you have battery leads with 
            top hat connectors with screws from the top, the clearance between 
            the underside of the removable black metal access panel and the screws 
            on the top of the tapered caps is extremely tight! In fact dangerously 
            so! This is not a satisfactory situation at all because a short between 
            the panel and the positive terminal would very soon produce a red 
            hot panel - the inferno that might follow in your garage quietly overnight 
            does not bear thinking of.! So check your battery terminals and the 
            clearance with the access panel as soon as you can!
 
 Well the response from Julian Fecitt two weeks after my note was sent 
            was "Thank you for your email. Since changing the batteries, 
            cleaning up the battery leads and giving the car a good run over the 
            hills, it seems to be behaving." He later mentioned "it 
            was running like a dream - but I know this is tempting fate!"
 
 RV8 Workshop Note 109
 Problems with the zip on the RV8 rear screen
 Victor Rodregues (Oxford Blue 1621) from Switzerland reported 
            a difficulty with the zip around his rear screen. This note explains 
            how he resolved it together with some further comments from John Barnes 
            (Woodcote Green 0636) in Wellington New Zealand. (Aug 01)
 
 I had a difficulty with the zip on the rear window of my RV8. It became 
            unserviceable and it was no longer possible to close the rear window. 
            I called the V8 Registrar to see if there were any ideas on repairs 
            or fitting a new zip, or whether any member had faced this problem 
            before and how was it solved? My initial contacts with local hood 
            repair specialists in Switzerland were disappointing - their answers 
            were either that it would be necessary to fix the rear window so it 
            could not be opened and consequently the hood could not be dropped, 
            or I would have to install a new hood!!
 
 The V8 Registrar replied relaying information provided by Clive Wheatley 
            indicating that the hood could be repaired in the UK. Clive Wheatley 
            would be able to arrange that, but the hood would have to be removed 
            from the car and sent over to England as a parcel with a freight company 
            (like Fedex or UPS). Clive warned me that, unlike the hoods on the 
            earlier MGBV8 Roadsters, it was not easy to remove the RV8 hood and 
            considerable care would be needed. Alternatively I could deliver the 
            car to the hood repair specialist in England - quite a journey from 
            North East Switzerland!
 
 Well I did some local research in Switzerland and found several firms 
            specialising in soft tops for motor cars. The fourth specialist company 
            I contacted made a fantastic and professional job maintaining the 
            rear window intact and they did not need to remove the hood from the 
            car. They managed with very good hands and their special tools to 
            repair the zip by exchanging the very vulnerable piece that brings 
            the two separate parts of the zip together. The total cost for the 
            repair work was the equivalent of £60.00 which I was very pleased 
            with.
 
 Now here are my tips for RV8 enthusiasts facing a similar problem 
            with the zip on their rear window:
 
 Research - make enquiries and seek the opinions of several 
            local car hood specialists or qualified furniture restorers.
 Procedure - try to make sure the small zip cursor piece can be professionally 
            replaced before you decide it is necessary to remove the hood from 
            the car.
 
 Hood replacement - it is definitely not necessary to think 
            about a replacement hood even if you live a long way from England!
 Caution - if you are not familiar with zip repair technicalities, 
            never try and do the repair yourself as it could become a very expensive 
            experience!
 
 Finally I was advised to always keep the hood up whenever the car 
            is parked long term with the window closed. At least once a year you 
            should lightly lubricate the zip all round with a suitable product. 
            Also Clive Wheatley advised that RV8 enthusiasts must take care with 
            operating and maintaining the zips around the rear screen to avoid 
            possible damage.
 
 Later we received some further comments from John Barnes (Woodcote 
            Green 0636) from Wellington in New Zealand: "Before the zip is 
            zipped down, it is a good idea to release the front clips holding 
            the hood to the screen which releases the tension on the hood fabric 
            including the rear window. It should be zipped right the way down 
            so that when the window is folded over and stored at the rear of the 
            parcel tray, there is no strain on the zip. When zipping up or down, 
            the zip should be treated gently."
 
 V8 Workshop Note 239
 Ride height and bumpers
 Peter Holden (Glacier White V8 1183) retired from circuit racing 
            a Midget a few seasons ago and thought about getting a BGTV8 which 
            he could use for the occasional historic navigational event. He contacted 
            the V8 Register seeking some guidance on ride heights and bumpers. 
            This note is based on the reply provided by Roger Parker. (Sept 01).
 
 Pete Holden's e-mail to Roger said "I have a couple of questions 
            regarding the BGTV8 as I am looking at buying a car towards the lower 
            end of the price range with the emphasis on a tidy and usable car 
            which I can prepare for the occasional historic navigational event, 
            so I definitely do not want to "waste" an exceptional vehicle! 
            Of course chrome bumpers would be nice but I am already finding that 
            chrome bumper cars in my price range (£5,000 to £6,000) 
            suffer from excessive "tin worm". However I thought that 
            as rubber bumpered BGTV8s certainly appear (from my brief surfing 
            of the internet) to command lower prices. Are the following ideas 
            feasible, even though the second is probably a heresy!!
 
 Ride height - do rubber bumpered V8s have a higher ride height 
            than the chrome models and can they be lowered? I have seen Brown 
            & Gammons advertise a lowering and handling kit for rubber bumpered 
            vehicles which I presume would do the job or are V8s in some way different?
 
 Now for the heresy - if I remove the rubber bumpers, can I replace 
            them with a one piece front and rear valence panels in glass fibre 
            similar in style to those fitted to the MGCGTS? There are front views 
            of several cars on page 30 of September's Safety Fast! but no rear 
            shots. Can you advise a way forward?"
 
 Well the reply from Roger Parker was both punctual and straightforward 
            in his usual way. The answer to your first question is the BGTV8 was 
            about an inch higher than the same model year for four cylinder chrome 
            bumper cars and so when the rubber bumpers arrived the four cylinder 
            cars saw a rise of about one and half inches whilst the V8 saw a minuscule 
            additional half inch or so. The reality is that this much smaller 
            difference almost means that both models can almost be treated as 
            the same.
 Certainly the actual configuration between four and eight cylinder 
            cars is similar except that the spring rates at the rear are considerably 
            higher to cope with the effect of the V8 torque. The adoption of spacer 
            blocks is therefore not advised because spacing the axle from the 
            springs will increase the torque leverage effect and may cause adverse 
            consequences. If it is felt lowering is necessary, using re-cambered 
            springs is much better.
 
 The removal of the rubber bumpers and their replacement with anything 
            that has a connection with the chrome bumper set up (Sebring panels 
            are chrome bumper cars without chrome bumpers) means you will face 
            the same problem. Looking at the front and rear installations on rubber 
            bumpered models:
 
 Front bumpers - the rubber bumpers are mounted on very large 
            and heavily modified brackets fitted to the front ends of the original 
            chassis rails. These encroach significantly on what would be the area 
            below and above the bumper line. This also extends rearwards towards 
            the radiator. These ends and the rearwards extensions will have to 
            be removed to provide access for either chrome bumpers or Sebring 
            panels. In addition the rubber bumper brackets that sit above the 
            oil cooler platform completely block the fitting of a chrome grille. 
            Even if just the first couple of inches of this is removed to allow 
            access to mount a chrome grille the remainder will be as visible as 
            a large wart through the slats! Perhaps only the late plastic eggbox 
            style of plastic grille centre would partially restrict this view.
 
 Front wings were next. On rubber bumpered cars they have great 
            big holes where the front wings on chrome bumpered cars have smaller 
            holes in which the side light and indicator unit is fitted. The hole 
            on rubber bumper wings is far larger than the lamp unit fitted to 
            the chrome bumper wing. So conversions from rubber to chrome set up 
            require either a change to a chrome bumper wing or welding in a shaped 
            steel section from a chrome bumper wing to fit the lamp unit.
 
 Rear bumpers - the same sort of large rubber bumper mounts 
            are fitted to the ends of the chassis legs in just the same way as 
            the front. These need to be cut away to provide access for the chrome 
            bumper and a Sebring panel. In addition, you will find there is a 
            void below each rear light which is occupied by an upswept section 
            of rubber bumper. On chrome bumper cars there is a round section of 
            rear wing. It is that section of the chrome bumper rear wing that 
            would have to be welded in.
 
 A number of companies do rubber to chrome bumper conversion kits which 
            include the parts needed top cover the problem areas mentioned above. 
            The work is such that by the time you have got as far as completing 
            this conversion, fitting genuine chrome bumpers is a relatively small 
            additional job, so the use of Sebring panels would only save only 
            a small amount of work together with the cost of the chrome bumpers 
            and brackets.
 
 The solution as I see it is to persevere with the search for the type 
            of car you really want because the cost of converting a rubber bumper 
            car will near enough put the overall cost in much the same level as 
            going for the chrome bumper car to start with."
 
 Pete Holden subsequently contacted the V8 Register to report he had 
            acquired a chrome bumpered BGTV8 (Glacier White 1183), previously 
            registered by Paul Carrier in North Yorkshire. Pete noted "the 
            car has had a colour change from its original Citron. This was carried 
            out by a previous owner when having a substantial overhaul to the 
            bodywork at Beer of Houghton back in the 1980s. The car is having 
            "remedial" work carried out at present - mainly mechanical 
            with a little welding and fitting a front valence in place of a glass 
            fibre spoiler. I should have the car back on the road during December 
            as my daily transport."
 |